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Did Mozilla jump the shark with Firefox 29?

April 30, 2014
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Firefox 29 has been released and it’s causing quite a wave of controversy among Firefox users. Firefox 29 comes with a new interface called Australis that features rounded tabs, along with a menu icon in the top right corner. As you might imagine, some users are having trouble adjusting to the new interface and are making their feelings very clear to the Firefox developers.

I checked the Firefox Input site and found a huge number of negative comments from Firefox 29 users. There’s also a chart that shows a large spike of negative sentiment among users. There are also sporadic positive comments posted about Firefox 29, but the vast majority seem to be from angry Firefox users who are not warming up to the new version of Mozilla’s browser.

More at Firefox Input

Firefox 29 User Feedback Chart

The chart shows a large spike in negative user sentiment after the release of Firefox 29.


Image credit: Firefox Input

Firefox 29 Negative User Comments

The Firefox Input site has been swamped with negative user comments.


Image credit: Firefox Input

Firefox 29: Change is hard to accept
Change is always hard for some folks to accept, particularly when it comes to browsers. We all depend on our web browsers so much each day that when something big changes it can be extremely aggravating. We have to change our long established habits and adjust to new ways of doing things as well as visual changes that may or may not be pleasing to our eyes.

But I’ve found that if you give yourself some time to adjust you can usually get through it eventually. That requires some patience though and a willingness to be open to new ways of doing things. And it also helps if you can hang in there as further development may tweak some of the things that are causing you issues or problems.

My upgrade from Firefox 28 to Firefox 29
I upgraded Firefox from version 28 to 29 today in Lubuntu 14.04. I actually found myself liking Firefox 29 a bit more than 28, for the most part. I think the interface is cleaner and easier on the eyes than before the update. I didn’t find it any more difficult to use than before the switch. However, I don’t tend to do a lot of customizing so that concern really isn’t an issue for me the way it seems to be for some other users.

If I had to pick something that I’m on the fence about, it would be the rounded tabs. I’m not really a big fan of that sort of thing. It would be nice if there were an option to square the active tab instead of having it rounded, but all in all this is a very minor complaint. I can live with the rounded tabs and I’m sure in a few days I probably won’t even notice it.

You can see for yourself in the two screenshots what Firefox 28 and Firefox 29 look like in Lubuntu 14.04.

Firefox 28

Firefox 28 in Lubuntu 14.04.

Firefox 29

Firefox 29 in Lubuntu 14.04.

Nerd rage about Firefox 29 much ado about nothing?
Firefox 29 is certainly not the first software update to cause hard feelings among users. I remember when Apple updated iOS 6 to iOS 7 and many people loathed iOS 7. They could not deal with the color changes, functionality changes, user interface design and other things. Some vowed never to upgrade to iOS 7 or that they would switch to Android to send Apple a message.

Well these days the iOS 7 adoption rate is nearly 90%, according to MacRumors. So its clear that iOS users ended up adjusting to the changes over time. I believe the same thing will happen with Firefox 29. Users will adjust, and the Firefox developers will no doubt make some tweaks to Firefox based on user feedback, the same way that Apple did with iOS 7.

GNOME 3 is another example of major software changes that resulted in a backlash among users. Upgrading from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 freaked a lot of people out, and some abandoned GNOME altogether and moved to KDE, Xfce and other Linux desktop environments. GNOME 3 also caused vociferous flame wars among many in the Linux community.

But as time went on some people that had abandoned GNOME because of GNOME 3 later returned to it. They decided to give GNOME a second chance and took the time to get used to what it had to offer. And some users never abandoned GNOME in the first place, they changed their habits and soon found that GNOME 3 worked as well for them as GNOME 2 ever did.

For the time being it seems that Firefox 29 will continue to generate quite a lot of nerd rage. This will change over time as it usually does, and a year from now we’ll probably look back at the controversy over Firefox 29 and wonder why anybody was so upset about it.

What’s your take on this? Tell me in the comments below.


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134 Responses to Did Mozilla jump the shark with Firefox 29?

  1. Harold Hamilton on July 1, 2014 at 11:34 am

    The most common argument of proaustralis (and prognome3) folks is that people doesn’t want to embrace change. You have it also here “Change is hard to accept” Sorry, but what a bullshit. Can you explain me, why is it actually good to embrace change? Was old UI broken? Why should I embrace change of something that works pretty well? And more importantly, why should I embrace a change for something which doesn’t work better than “pretty well”? I don’t mind changes. If I would, I wouldn’t migrate from IE ten years ago. Or I wouldn’t migrate to linux, etc. But I _do_ mind changes for change sake.

    My issues with new firefox (and gnome3) is not that people are exploring the new ways. That is a good thing! The problem is, that instead of adding values, they delete values, by replacing (deleting) something which is valuable right now, with something that _might_ be valuable in future.

    I really hate wannabe visionaries, who want to make people follow their ways no matter what. The morons who disable a choice or make a choice extremely difficult, in order to get sheeps for their flock. Arrogantly implying that they know better than user, what user needs.

    I would not have problem with them, if they would present their ways for “better user experience” by creating another product as a fork. I’m pretty sure, that if their way would be really so great, they would for sure attract great deal of people eventually. And more importantly, the original product would remain for whoever who likes it. But of course, that is not cool, because they would have to visionate something that is really great and not just flashy and fancy. And it goes against the way of visionary thinking, where choice is evil, because the people might choice something different than their supreme visions.

  2. Joe on June 27, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    What a joke. The 2 most used buttons on a web browser are the Back button and the Reload button.

    The designers of Firefox 29 decided to the the buttons on OPPOSITE sites of the tool bar with NO way to change them.

    Even Chrome has them right next to each other. Why? Its basic “human factor” engineering 101. And quite frankly, the designers of FF 29 look like rank amateurs who have a lack of the most basic education.

  3. Zed on June 5, 2014 at 4:47 am

    I reinstalled 28. I clicked on never to check for updates yet it would update without my concent. I finally figured out while installing to choose custom, the not allow the installation o the update engine program. That did the trick. I like my reload on the left not because it’s on the left but because when I mve it becomes bigger. I also want more control over the back/forward arrows. If I wanted a Chrome look a like I would use Chrome. It’s funny the author of the article mentioned Gnome 3. I never did come back to it. I also tried to like Ubuntu’s Unity for 3 upgrades. Iver did get used to it and I never came back. I’m tired of reading lines like this: “Change is always hard for some folks to accept…” I love change, when it makes sense, ads functionality, it’s intuitive, unique not a blatant copy cat and it’s truly over all better. Taking features/freedom away is “NEVER” positive nor progressive. BTW i don’t care much for Windoes 8 but I can live with Windows 8.1. I’m looking forward to

    • Joe on June 5, 2014 at 6:46 am

      I reinstalled 28 yesterday and went with custom, not because I already knew this particular tip but because I prefer to do custom installations anyway for more control. At first I’d selected “scan for updates but do not install them automatically”, and I did get a popup window informing me of 29.0.1, but I closed that, changed to “do not scan for updates, let me check manually” and I haven’t been bothered since then. Have had to do a bit of tweaking to get my setup back to where I prefer it but not too much. I still have AdBlock Plus turned off but considering that it may not have been the problem after all, notwithstanding its memory issues, I might turn it back on again once I boost my system’s RAM – I’m planning to go to 16GB from 8GB.

  4. Joe on June 4, 2014 at 7:19 am

    I had this version (29.0) auto-installed at the end of April/early May and I’ve been having almost incessant problems since then, not so much with the interface (I have add-ons such as Status4Evar installed that enable me to keep my interface without too much tinkering) as in two key areas of operability:

    1) Firefox crashes every 2 days or so after major memory leaks (I tried disabling AdBlock Plus which is reported to have serious memory-hogging issues, since NoScript does pretty much the same job, and also tried Firemin to shift some of the load over to the CPU’s, but to no avail):
    2) At least a couple of times a day, for no apparent reason, Firefox is suddenly unable to find any web pages at all and I’m left staring at the “Problem loading page” screen for the next minute or so until, equally without apparent reason, Firefox starts loading pages properly again. I thought at first this was a problem with my Internet connection, called in tech support for a house call and even replaced my cable modem, but I’m still experiencing the issue.

    At this point, I’m planning to revert back to version 28 when I get home from work, I DL’ed the installer this morning. I’m going to turn off automatic updating first and double-check once 28 is back up and running so that I don’t have Mozilla trying to foist 29 on me again. 28 was quite stable and I don’t buy Mozilla’s scaremongering about the last-numbered version being “insecure”; using up-to-date anti-malware software and common-sense surfing will protect you 99% of the time if you’re using a *reasonably* up-to-date version of any browser. Alternately, I’m going to get Palemoon and test it out too.

  5. Jason Zippay on May 28, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    My problem with Firefox 29 has very little to do with the interface and a whole lot to do with the fact that it does not run on my laptop. IE and Chrome run with no problem by simply installing it. Firefox 29 freezes after about 10 seconds. All other versions of all other browsers work, including Firefox, up to version 28! When I say it’s unusable, I mean that literally. I can’t use it.

  6. Ward on May 25, 2014 at 1:03 am

    Here’s where Mozilla is really CROSSING the line *again (after firing a CEO for using his 1st Amendment)…

    I have uninstalled v.29 five times… reinstalled v.28 with no Internet connection… Disabled auto update while still disconnected ->changed auto update to NEVER… about 3 reboots later I’m “magically” back v.29… WOW…

    I’m going to try one more time to roll back to v.28… If they push me to 29 one more time… I’m gone forever… If I wanted Chrome I’d be using Chrome.

    Update: I’m gone forever.

  7. TechBud on May 21, 2014 at 10:35 am

    My comments about Mozilla Firefox changes are not so much about the technical aspects but about the psychological aspects of those technical changes.
    I am an old technician, 40 years plus, dealing with technical issues but also dealing with customers about their issues on the products I provided them.
    We all know newer technical abilities are being developed all the time. We also know customer use is the all important issue or there would not be customers to develop new technical abilities for.
    When a developer “changes” what the customer has already adapted to and then the customer is ignored as being important to the development of newer abilities when they were “sold” the previous abilities, then there is resistance. This goes for any product that has been marketed to the customer, and especially for anything being developed by technical people because those developers were adapting as they were developing their newer products. The developers had no adjustment to changes because they adjusted during the development stage and therefore they usually cannot associate with customers who have not adjusted to those changes. The customer resists change to what they were already “sold” and told to change to.
    It is said “change is good”. No it is not! Change is ALWAYS disruptive to those who have already changed and are now told to change again.
    That being said; newer technologies and “changes” to older technologies can be better or can be more serving for customers, but if customer changes are not anticipated then bankruptcies usually follow established companies because of poor customer relations.
    Me? I am a simple customer. If I like a product I will use it. If I stop liking a product I will stop using it. If I am ignored or sold a “bill-of-goods” then I will do everything possible to get any of my money back, if any were spent, for the previous product and then just refuse to use any newer product from that company in the future. I am a realist in that I don’t “need” most products that are being marketed as “you can’t live without this product”.
    Technology can be a great benefit. Technology can be a great waste of time in our daily lives.
    What serves customers best? KISS. Keep it simple ——!

  8. lara on May 19, 2014 at 1:46 am

    its a piece of shit i do not want.. i’m all for upgrades and such but why change the look? nobody ask for that shit.. if we wanted chrome, we’d be using it. a

  9. slb on May 15, 2014 at 3:24 am

    my experience with Windows 7 ultimate and firefox 29 has been abysmal.

    in particular, Adobe Flash 13 player fails more than 50% of the time it gets called up.

    Lifelong firefox user – Going to switch browsers – suggestions?

    • Charlotte on May 29, 2014 at 10:50 am

      Pale Moon. Firefox old school style. Just switched to it myself after the ton of crap that is FF29.

  10. T. S. on May 14, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    As you mentioned – Gnome 3 is bad (and it still is), Firefox 29, Windows 8 and there’re a lot more examples. It’s not unwilling to change, it’s that meanwhile every little piece of software comes with it’s own GUI, it’s own way of “thinking” what the best use-case is, it’s own way of placing icons, symbols, menus and yes – also names inside menus – tiles and whatever.
    It’s just a computer – nothing else. Not an object designers can use to play around with. Remember back the old times of CP/M and DOS ? Then interfaces appeared, X11, Windows, MacOS and they all had in common (more or less) that the behaviour and look of programs was similar. If you were able to find this “Print Page” menu entry in Notepad, not a big deal finding it in Works, Word and nearly everywhere else.
    And no – it’s also not being lazy – it’s just that I like to spend my time better then searching where this damn button is hidden and what this damn keyboard shortcut is to get the job done.
    So what’s the big problem to have both ? Giving the user the choice and what the user (that’s the person who’s supposed to use the crap – not the designer who’s sitting somewhere thinking a 2 color layout on flat tiles looks great) the ability to choose his / her way ?
    Or yes – maybe I’m just getting old and miss the good old times

  11. Alexandre Torres on May 14, 2014 at 11:12 am

    It is sad to see that developers now give no importance to their users. Without any notice, after what appears to be a simple security update, the browser changes radically. The user is NOT expecting these changes. He is not ready to re-learn the interface, he may be in the middle of an important task at work , and will loose time, money, and maybe the job… just because some “diva” developed a new “fashionable” interface for firefox/ios/windows/whatever.
    It is more than time to fire some people at Mozilla… ops, they can´t be fired. You can´t change this, it is a new era of software providers disrespecting its users by spying, by imposing automatic updates, etc…
    Until someone decide do sue these developers for losses…

  12. Steve on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    Firefox updates have increasingly acted like malware. The decision to remove the Javascript control “for your own good” was precisely that: they disabled a security feature without telling you what they were doing. The attitude of, “if you don’t like it, download an add on to put it back” is unacceptable. I shouldn’t need to add one external program after another to defend myself from the developers.

    This is the last straw. I shouldn’t install what looks like a routine update only to find that favicons have been added to my bookmark toolbar, pushing half of them off the screen. My text only interface has been changed to icons without asking, and no way to get it back. Firefox’s answer: “there’s an addon.” If software that mucks up your settings without asking is malware, then the Firefox 29 update is malware. This kind of change very simply should not be concealed as a routine update.

    Moved on to Pale Moon. ( http://www.palemoon.org/ )

    • ThreatDown on May 18, 2014 at 9:55 pm

      Javascript control was *not* removed, that is just not true. They removed it from the main preferences gui, but its still available in about:config (javascript.enabled), and in anycase globally disabling it is pretty silly when we have the excellent noscript addon which gives complete control over it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/

  13. Neil on May 13, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    I suppose when Firefox starts caring about the people that use it, it will become the best browser on the web, until then it will be the second browser to a lot of people. I read a lot of reviews and most people are pissed about the fact that so many of their customizations get altered every time Firefox does an update, so perhaps they need to look at a platform that keeps all individual customizations while being able to update the main core, until then it will always be nothing more than a second or now even a third place browser.

  14. john on May 12, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    I installed v 29 of Firefox. Found a really important URL I wanted to bookmark, but there is no more “add bookmark”. It is now called “edit bookmarks”. OK, I can get used to that. But when I opened another tab in Firefox, the “add bookmark” button re-appeared. Is that a “feature”?

    Then, I go back to my bookmarks, and I discover that the important URL I saved, was NOT saved at all. I tried and I tried, from a new tab, from a new Firefox window, and nothing. Firefox refuses to save a bookmark.
    I finally had to copy/paste the URL and save it as a text file.
    Then I uninstalled Firefox.
    Too bad, it was good while it lasted.

  15. Dastardly Dave on May 12, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    Mozilla has been jumping the shark for quite a while now. I have started using Chrome as my default browser once Firefox got onto the version number chasing bandwagon.

    Change simply for the sake of change is stupid.

    If you need an additional plugin (Classic Theme Restorer) to restore UI sanity, it just means your change isn’t very welcome or good to begin with. Refer to Windows 8 RTM… apologists insisted that no one should be whining about the missing Start menu when we could have just installed Classic Shell. Look what happened to Microsoft afterwards.

    Whatever happened to the good old Mozilla values of simplicity and functionality? And this is the result. Firefox should learn something from Seamonkey.

    I now need more clicks to delete my browser cache. Is this progress? I’ll let you decide.

    Oh, one last thing. I know imitation is the best form of flattery, but if we wanted Chrome we would have used Chrome. There is no point in making Firefox LOOK like Chrome: I doubt your market share will improve a lot via cosmetic tweaks; if it improves at all. Hear that, Marissa Mayer of Yahoo? Stop making Yahoo Mail look like Gmail. Be true to your product’s roots and preserve some individuality, please.

    • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm

      So in a couplpe of years we have gone from FF ver 4 to 29? Most of the updates from ver 5 on have done nothing except to break all my addons so I have to wait for them to be “compatible with this version” or install a different addon that hopefuly does the same job.

      I have switched to Pale moon, but am looking for another browser because Pale moon is an offshoot of FF, but I’m not feeding a hungry whale like Google with their Chrome, I will go with something “less corporate minded”

  16. mnt on May 12, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Switched to Pale Moon.

    Fast, lightweight, sane UI, everything just works.

  17. davt on May 11, 2014 at 2:11 am

    There is NO print preview no drop bar for fav on left. Nah it’s not workin for me HATE it

    • Carling on May 11, 2014 at 3:13 am

      @davt…. Try clicking on the laste Icon scroll down to customize and click on that.

  18. crazy3d on May 11, 2014 at 12:44 am

    To the hipsters:

    People are not complaining because “Americans are dumb” and “old geezers can’t handle change”. That would be true, if we were talking about Internet Explorer and Chrome but we are talking about Firefox.
    The Firefox is aimed at the Power user and that means who choses Firefox for the tools and the customization, not an smart rigid interface. FF 29 has killed many KEY customization features: Tabs under bars, well visual distinction between tabs when having many (very important since Firefox was the best with many tabs), Key icons stuck to the address bar, can’t put space between icons and killed the totally innocuous addon bar (off by default previously).
    Also, the hamburger button (which is stuck) Lacks many options previously found on the “Firefox” like for example “Help” (Full of options) which now are available Only on the menu bar (waste of state space) and the mother of all, the addons related to appearance customization are not working (Stratiform and No Squint for example, all popular).
    I used “3.0 Theme for 4+” which now because of the new address bar being melted with buttons can’t work.

    This is the deal Hipsters, if you want a “download & use” Browser go with Chrome, Opera and Explorer. Why the heck does the Firefox user has to adapt to you? A minority of brain dead zombies whose sole brilliant thoughts about this are “stop winning” “shut up” “Americans!” “old geezers” and “nerds can’t change”.

    The reason why 80% of us COMPLETELY HATE 29 is because we are not like you, dumb hipsters who solely watch Youtube, trend in Facebook and nonsense. To all of you I say GO AWAY.

    PD: Worst part is, Mozilla is trying to basically dump their user base in favor of this sheeple. Could this be worse?

    • trendyslicker on May 22, 2014 at 7:05 am

      a tad harsh but VERY true. you absoultely hit the point…

  19. Lou on May 10, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Firefox 29. It sucks. I could go on about what’s wrong — from not being able to customize icons to the elimination of the add-on bar — but why bother? Once upon a time FF was simply the best. Now it’s bloated, unstable and unfriendly. Oh, did I say the new released sucks? OMG, I might start using IE again. Now that’s scary.

  20. Zangu on May 10, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Updated Firefox last night and what a pile of crap this FF29 is. I’ve been using FF forever but this update is pretty horrid.

    • Jemand Anders on May 10, 2014 at 8:57 pm

      i feel the same… i downgraded all my systems back to ff28 and disabled the auto-update features.. crap update with a lot of bugs… open recently viewed tabs dont work (tried it with 2 fully new installations) and sorry i dont want to add all my pages to bookmarks and reopen them everytime i close ff…

      ff28 is my last version if they dont change it all back :) sry mozilla, ff WAS my favorite browser

      greets from germany

  21. Dave on May 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    I had perfect and ergonomic workspace configured in FF and now I have crap full of nothing because someone wants to play and experiment and thiks he knows whats better for me? And you call it “nerd rage”? Sorry, not everybody has time to waste on learning and configuring new look in every tool every week because they mess with interface with every update.

  22. Gary on May 10, 2014 at 12:03 am

    I’ve accepted every update to firefox for as long as I can remember, with mostly open arms. Sometimes it took some getting used to but I dealt with it. Chrome sucks and FF29 sucks and I want a rollback. I do not want to have to install an addon (which doesn’t work for me anyway) to get my Firefox back.

  23. jimmy on May 9, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    It isn’t so much that it looks bad. There are two issues for me. One, they removed a lot of customization like tabs on the bottom. That one thing was a huge reason I used Firefox. Second, they made it look like a copy of Chrome. Basically those two reasons have me really question why I’d even use Firefox vs Chrome anymore.

  24. MoJo on May 9, 2014 at 12:33 am

    I love this false “get something for nothing” argument. They get A LOT out of their users, like the huge google contract they signed for millions.

    Please, we have a right to complain and you have a right to complain about our complaining but don’t give me that free nonsense. Nothing is free in this world.

    Mozilla is chasing the leader, pure and simple and it’s a mistake.

  25. MENTD on May 7, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    We should not have to install ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE that basically “adds on” the old inferface.
    The old interface was great! The new interface obviously takes up more resources as well
    because it is not as fast or responsive. But the bottom line is this…

    If it aint broke, don’t fix it. Many Firefox users choose Firefox BECAUSE OF THE UI!

    We do not like IE or CHROME’s tablet/idiot orientated layout.

    BUT EVEN IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO CATER TO THIS RIDICULOUS TREND OF CHANGING THE LOOK OF EVERYTHING…
    WHY WOULD YOU FORCE IT ON US?!?!

    Offer the new UI as an addon and then you will really see who wants it… I bet no one would get it!

    So why do you FORCE something on us and give us no option at all to remain classic?
    Why change the default UI that is compiled into the program? It is sheer lunacy and idiocy!!!
    Offer your MAC interface as a plugin for those who want that stuff, leave our slick working UI alone.
    Doesn’t it use the normal OS ui anyhow? At least, it used to! Why put skins on and clutter things?
    Pointless! Instead of focusing on messing with an interface people love, how about adding some REAL features?

    • Carling on May 7, 2014 at 6:28 pm

      For those of you that don’t know, Mozilla is bringing out their own smart phone and FF has to work with that, and other smart phones, FF is now passed being a desktop/laptop web browser only. so get used to it.. How is it you all complain here on Yahoo, Get to Mozilla FF website and complain there then you’ll find out whats going on. If you don’t like it move on it’s that simple.

      • M on May 7, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        eummm.. Actually, I think most would disagree with you.
        There are computers/laptops/servers
        THEN there are tablets
        AND THEN there are smartphones

        THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AND THEREFORE HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS!!!

        • Carling on May 7, 2014 at 9:43 pm

          Quote
          I think most would disagree with you. There are computers/laptops/servers.THEN there are tablets AND THEN there are smartphones.
          Reply
          Education and Nowledge is a wonderful thing It’s a real pity you don’t have any. People with out-of-date windows skills will find themselves on the outside looking in.
          Answer
          At this moment in time, I am runing my 14yr old Vista Dell laptop that can’t run W8.1, with the latest May 7th 2014 (To Day) Free Linux operating system. from what’s known as a live boot able DVD disk. That can’t be done with Windows 7, or M$ latest and greatest 8 or 8.1 So I agree with you, Americans are M$ brain dead, They are a decade behind the rest of the world. They can’t do anything for themselves Period.

          I can make my 14yr old dell Laptop into a Linux server, I can sync any iPod, IPad, iPhone and upload and download iTunes to them,

          • Sean on May 13, 2014 at 9:32 pm

            Amazing, how did you get your hands on Windows Vista ~ 7 years before it was released?

            • trendyslicker on May 22, 2014 at 7:18 am

              people who mastered linux’ terminal are definitely capable of timetravel as well. I mean, those who intuitively guessed all the correct commands without checking Google every time they try to make this particular package to work with this particular distro.

      • trendyslicker on May 22, 2014 at 7:14 am

        to where (e.g. what browser) are you suggesting all us to go? chrome? IE? opera (I mean, chrome disguised as opera, R.I.P. opera-presto).
        I suggest you go watch ‘Idiocracy’ the movie to check your roadmap.

  26. Carling on May 7, 2014 at 7:43 am

    Easily-fix-firefox-29
    http://claudecat17.tumblr.com/post/84902782891/easily-fix-firefox-29

    Americans are always crying about something. Even when they get something for nothing, It’s no wonder that Americans are 10 years behind the rest of the world, They are too bone idle to exorcizer the two dieing braincells they have left between their ears, Do you all think it’s Mozilla Firefox browsers that’s changed the way Yahoo web page and mail now looks and acts. It’s called PROGRESS… .If you all knew what Mozilla is trying to do for you idiots, then you might stop moaning and groaning and except things has they come,

    Mozilla, Linux Foundation and the Free Open Source Linux Community out there want to give you all a better Free faster Internet experience, along with Free Faster Secure Operating Systems and Free Professional application software, If that’s not good enough for you all then stick with M$ who are out to control everything thing you do, and make you all pay annual subscription fees for the privilege for using M$ services.

    • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      Mozilla jumped on the corporate bandwagon, and they can smell “google money” and they want some of it. They can never go back, It’s like being addicted to crack and they don’t want any cure. They want big corporate money and could care less about the open source community they came from. Mozilla will be more like Apple/google/MS from now on because they got a taste of what real money is like, and they now have gold fever…BTW, who said the complaints were all Americans?

      Your shoushat was a real piece of garbage that got many of your allies (Americans) killed there frenchie fighting for YOUR freedom, so stop complaining about the Americans. If it were not for U.S., you would be speaking German or Russian.

  27. john on May 7, 2014 at 6:56 am

    Oh by the way, if you aren’t donating or coding the software you get for free then you have no business saying what they do to it. Mr “The real problem here is people didn’t ask for an updated interface”

    • Carling on May 7, 2014 at 10:59 am

      You are an idiot the way your thinking. We would still be in the stone age if it was left up to people like you.

      • MENTD on May 7, 2014 at 6:16 pm

        I love this consent I hear from people who support constantly messing with a UI that
        it is somehow “easier” or “more modern” – A standard UI has existed since the beginning of time.
        FILE EDIT VIEW HISTORY BOOKMARKS TOOLS HELP
        It has been this way since Windows 3.1 – For most people, it works.
        And for those who have only used tablets, you can download tablet interfaces as the addons.
        Don’t make the classic interface be the addon!

        And get this – If you have kept classic mode in windows then you have NEVER had to learn
        a new interface – EVER – All through 95 all the way to 8, if you turn the crap off they
        all look basically the same underneath. Yet every new “os” acts like it’s special because
        it offers a new look – just create skins people can download if you want your crap that frilly!
        The simple fact is they have run out of ideas – how many more ways can you tweak a browser
        or an OS? All an OS is supposed to do is host other software. IT should be simple and slick.
        All a browser should do is go to web pages as fast as possible and as safe as possible.
        That’s it. Not try to keep up with the joneses or because tablets are popular change the
        default UI to something that is completely different than what things have been like for
        OVER 20 YEARS! ABSURD!

        If the people who think new interfaces are so great then let them download new interfaces
        every month – let them play with animations and new skins and all types of bullcrap…
        But leave our “been the same way since the dawn of time” default interface alone!

        You are a fool if you want to learn a new UI every few months! You’re wasting your time!
        And the new UI is NOT faster nor easier.

        So sick of people who only watch youtube videos claiming some lame UI that hogs resources
        and looks like crap is better because they’ve reduced it to one big button you can hit
        on your tablet screen.

    • jimmy on May 9, 2014 at 2:52 pm

      Which is why I will continue to block ads.

  28. john on May 7, 2014 at 6:53 am

    To all those complaining about the update. Quit your squeaking and take your midol you stubborn old geezers. Just set in your ways and apparently are the same folks who complain at twilight just because the sun is coming up or going down and you just can’t handle it.

    • Carling on May 7, 2014 at 8:25 am

      Well said Jim……

  29. JRoberts on May 7, 2014 at 3:45 am

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  30. Dirty Larry on May 6, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    Jim Lynch is trying to be a trendy hipster here, like those goofballs on TMZ. This kind of contrived bs makes the whole post useless. Condescending the users is never a smart move. The real problem here is people didn’t ask for an updated interface. Nobody wanted Firefox to be like Chrome. They took away the custom options people cared about, ripped-off Chrome with the visuals, and somehow bloated the thing to death. FF 29 is now taking more RAM per tab and it’s somehow SLOWER at loading flash. What a mess.

  31. JohnR on May 6, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    I don’t like it either… Please stop screwing around. As I tell all my new-hires, “Better is the enemy of done” and “The road to hell is paved with good extensions.”

  32. M on May 6, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    This post is completely BS. We are not sheeps! we like our browser the way we do!
    If that tool works for you, then great! it doesn’t work for the rest of us so stop trying to bring the sheeps back to the land of “lose everything”

  33. Nick on May 6, 2014 at 4:24 am

    Firefox 29 didn’t improve on anything, all they did was just rearrange everything that was sensible to idiotic. They should fire the executive who green lit this monstrosity and ban him/her for life. What happened to the ingenuity that Firefox had when it first started.

  34. Captain Sarcasaticrger" on May 5, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    I strongly disagree with your review. FF 29 is clearly aimed at touchscreens, just as Gnome 3 and Windows 8 were. I use actual computers, and don’t want to have to try to deal with a dumbed-down fingerpainting interface on them. Since I run Windows/Linux dual-boots, it means that on each machine I have had to run the update, then install an add-on in order to make Firefox run the way it did prior to the update. I almost always have two browsers open, with Firefox living in the left side of the screen, and another browser living toward the right side. Having the dumbed-down “hamburger” menu sitting on the right does not work for me. Additionally, I like having my navigation buttons, including stop and reload, to the left of the address bar. Making me install an add-on just to get the functionality that used to be default back is inane and infuriating.

    I have personally run Firefox since the time it was called Phoenix, and can easily say this is the worst update they have ever rolled out.

  35. JL on May 5, 2014 at 8:20 am

    After fresh install LAMP server + Xubuntu desktop on freshly formatted hard drive by mini.iso > tasksel.

    BUG in Firefox: My url bar / address bar displayed as if redacted. Black or colored text on the same colored background. Text cursor over it to expose the text. This is everything default. No addons. No tweaks. Standard theme – Australis.

    Usability compromised in lots of other ways: about:config ignored. Tabs can’t be set at bottom. Status-4-evar broken so I can’t have my status at the bottom of the page.

    Frequent updates means frequently breaking my config.

    FF 29 is a mess.

  36. Cornel on May 5, 2014 at 7:46 am

    Well…. I suggest you try a look at the new Firefox 29 interface with at least 20 tabs opened !!
    Than, please, come back and say again that you like the way it looks ( I bet you won’t be pleased with that, as I am not, either, now).
    So, for me the new interface is a disaster. Fortunately, there already exists an addon that helps get the look & feel a little better to the previous interface (not exactly, since you can’t move reload button around, and I just hate it being integrated in the URL bar — counterproductive a lot !! )
    This new lookup of Firefox is, indeed, just a try-to-copy other browsers’ interfaces, and this is sad (why is that not the other way around ?!? ).
    Btw … I also HATE the new rounded tabs, and of course switched back to the rectangle ones (with that “Classic them restorer” addon mentioned above). The rounded ones looked uglier than those in Chrome browser anyway (and didn’t matched their functionality — just tried to open about 30 new tabs on Chrome, and it still look better and can change from on to another easier and better than you could do it in this new interface of Firefox29 — and this makes me feel it is only a pale copy of Chrome’s interface and this I just can’t understand .. why ?!? )

    P.S. I was accustomed to move my mouse to left side of the URL bar, where I had my Reload button; now I have to change my habit and move it at the end of the URL field — can you guess how much I hate it ?!? Btw, why does this reload button hidden in that particular location ?!? Who stated this is a “productive” location ?!?

    • Gary Greene on May 6, 2014 at 3:18 am

      Cornel wrote: “P.S. I was accustomed to move my mouse to left side of the URL bar, where I had my Reload button; now I have to change my habit and move it at the end of the URL field — can you guess how much I hate it ?!?”

      Well, I got my reload button back, and I have Classic Theme Restorer (1.1.8) installed too. For me it showed up in the new Firefox > Cutomize > Additional Tools… menu left of the search field. I dragged it out of that box to the position I wanted. I can’t get rid of the new one in the address field, but I have the old one back.

      Perhaps some of the other add-ons I’ve installed to fix Australis made the difference. See also: Setting Sanity 0.7.20131121; The Add-on Bar (Restored) 3.1; Always Awesome Bar 1.0.1. Also, I run LinuxMint 16 Petra at the moment. Hope that helps.

  37. Tu on May 5, 2014 at 6:03 am

    “Well these days the iOS 7 adoption rate is nearly 90%, according to MacRumors. So its clear that iOS users ended up adjusting to the changes over time.” Nonsense. There is not alternative to use iOS 7 if you use a iPhone. So users are forced to use it. They don’t choose. So the same thing is going to happen to Firefox users. I install Firefox 29 (big error) and now I cannot reinstall version 28 because it is not available on Firefox website. So I decided to delete completely Firefox from my computer. Nice move from Mozilla.

    • Steve on May 13, 2014 at 5:19 pm

      I agree. If you don’t upgrade your iPod touch it becomes nearly useless as apps will no longer run/update. I don’t like iOS7 but was forced to in order to even use my device.

  38. Tymn Wyem on May 4, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Firefox 29 SUCKS! Why did you change everything? I can’t get my Add-On Bar back, which I use extensively!!! Now it’s a stupid drop-down menu at the top that took me about 10 minutes to find the first time it updated! STOP IT!!! This is not Microsoft, which is why I’ve used Firefox for over 10 years…but now Mozilla seems to want to emulate MS. UGH!!!

  39. Gary Greene on May 4, 2014 at 6:33 am

    I disagree with much of your take on the issue, but not terribly so. I do find the Firefox Team’s removal of the add-on bar particularly disagreeable. I have many add-on’s needing display space that help me enhance security, etc. That said, it was quite easy to search the FF Add-on site and retore each lost feature I really wanted. Everything is back in place now, including square tabs at the bottom. I particularly commend and recommend SettingSanity, Classic Theme Restorer, Always Awesome Bar, and The Add-on Bar (Restored). PAIS squelched.

  40. Hun73r on May 3, 2014 at 1:24 am

    Why does every thing have to look like win 8 why change something that is not broke

    And why not fix your browser instead of changing theme and layout they never learn at Mozilla

  41. tothaa on May 2, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    It was hard to find to clear history; and it did not deleted everithihg… :-(

  42. ILOKO on May 2, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    You think people will always accept whatever developers do and developers will win, well, not necessarily. For example Ubuntu and Linux Mint, while people disappoint with Ubuntu, he may move to Mint and won’t go back to Ubuntu for good. It’s the same on browser, I think there always have choice, too. Developers can test user’s patience, but that may bring a worst result to themselves.

    • Tymn Wyem on May 4, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      I agree. When Ubuntu switched to HUD layouts and removed all of my customizations, I abandoned it in favor of Mint 13 and have used it gladly ever since. Now Mint has changed Firefox and removed it’s customization features that I’ve depended on for the last 2 years. UNACCEPTABLE!!

      • Carling on May 4, 2014 at 5:04 pm

        Your 3yrs out of date, Mint latest is now 16

        • Tymn Wyem on May 4, 2014 at 5:08 pm

          True, but version 14, 15, and 16 were unstable, and for now, only 13/Maya has long-term support until 2017! I’ll wait until then before redoing my entire system…again.

          • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm

            FF29 is so bad that Mint 17 LTS is comming out with FF28

  43. wally on May 2, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    On the other hand, the competition – Chrome/Chromium, is messing around with the plugin structure and has rendered a number of thinks unworkable (such as: linux users cannot now use pipelight/silverlight and many Flash videos don’t work).
    You can’t win.

  44. another frustrated user on May 2, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Just because people can and will adjust to the changes doesn’t make the changes acceptable.
    I don’t care about the round tabs….whatever. I DO care that when I click on print, I don’t get print, I get print PREVIEW. This causes confusion for my users that I support and irritates them that, NOW, they have to close the print preview page! Of course it was better before!

  45. boblinux on May 2, 2014 at 10:47 am

    You say that one can adapt to change. But for what reason did things (the UI) were changed ? I am ok to adapt, but only if the purpose of the change is meaningful; you have to balance the cost of the learning curve towards the benefits. Was this done ? To me, I only see costs, no benefit. So why should I adapt ? Just because some developers just followed their mind ? When we are in the company world, this is how companies loose customers : making poor choices – not understanding the customers base true needs.

    • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      The Mozilla team have “supposedly” been working on austrailis for about ten years…Waste of time.
      People have been telling them for a while that the new UI is terrible but they just don’t listen to their userbase. Instead they would rather clone themselves to MS and Google. I now consider FF and Mozilla in general as “no longer considered to be opensource minded” They have a new paradigm, they are now Corporate minded. who cares if they loose a million users because they didn’t listen to them? They don’t care now that they got a huge contract from google….They don’t need our pittyful contributions anymore…maybe that’s why FF looks so much like Chrome? Mozilla is now Google? or the other way around?

  46. NoCaDrummer on May 1, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    I guess my two gripes have to do with:
    1) FF29 undoing my customization of the toolbar. I liked having things where I’d moved them, and now I cannot put them back where I liked them.
    2) The encroachment upon the actual webpage. In the illustration above, the webpage is the same size ONLY because the menubar on FF29 is turned off. Turn it on, and you lose a line-or-so of text in the displayed webpage.

    I’m also not a big fan of the curved-edge tabs. Fine on manilla folders, useless on browsers. And a waste of space.
    Oh, and your example of Gnome? I moved to Mate a couple of years ago. And I have no desire to move back.

    • Tymn Wyem on May 4, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      You said it, NoCaDrummer!

  47. MightyMoo on May 1, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    Back in the day applications tend to come with customizable interfaces that had choices. You could pick then new fancy shiny look or stick with the old classic look. Now with mobile all the rage it seems more and more that general use computer users are getting stuck with less options on how they use their devices. It’s sad really and Firefox is just the latest product to pull this on it’s user base.

  48. Albin on May 1, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    First I’ll say it’s fast, maybe a leetle faster than FF28 ane seems stable, and installed with my dozen or so extensions all working, along with other things like passwords and preferences that should work after an update. My disappointments are with the GUI and the new sync:

    . The new GUI is just less configurable, giving in to the prevailing presumption that Grinning Developers who agree among each other without asking anybody who uses the software, must know best. A lot of things have been moved around and have to be looked for, not for any great user-helping reason but just because Grinning Developers Can.

    . I had expected to seamlessly sync my preferences from existing older installs to FF29 without creating a “new” FF/Mozilla login identity. By coincidence I created a new install of FF 29 on a spare PC and was given a long explanation why I needed to delink previous installs on other machines to sync with a new identity on the new machine.

    . I had hoped (without knowing) that instead of a nuisance process of “Customize” dragging icons from one toolbar and location to another to get things how I like, that FF would finally sync my GUI “Customize” preferences along with passwords, extensions, etc. FF has always been more configurable than Chrome (for example) but also much more time-consuming to configure on multiple machines because it fails to sync the various GUI customizations it permits.

    This is a big FF jump and glitches and oversights were predictable. Unfortunately, the indication is that it’s falling into the Grinning Developers Know Best So Learn To Love It fallacy that afflicts various other software makers.

  49. AC on May 1, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Change isn’t hard to accept. Crap is hard to accept. They need to fire the incompetent control freaks they have in decision-making positions.

    If I wanted tabs on top, I’d be using Chrome. Requiring a plug-in to fix the now-broken UI is beyond stupid.

    • Tymn Wyem on May 4, 2014 at 2:06 pm

      I whole-heartedly concur!!

    • Steve on May 13, 2014 at 5:21 pm

      I agree. I have switched to the Pale Moon browser which is basically FF24. Love it!

  50. Mike on May 1, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Australis is a travesty, and destroyed everything that made Firefox great.

    It’s emblematic of taking control from users and giving to corporations and developers. Now there is talk of removing the URL bar altogether.

  51. Purple Library Guy on May 1, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    On the Gnome example . . . many other people moved to Mate, Cinnamon or XFCE, found they were happy and never went back. In an environment with competition (Chrome!) the assumption of inevitability is probably unwarranted.

  52. Nivag on May 1, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Well I was using GNOME 3, I’m now on Mate and sticking too it, I avoid GNOME 3 like a plague.

    I wish people would stop putting FASHION ahead of FUNCTIONALITY!

    I dread the coming changes in Firefox 29. I cannot call the new looks & lack of functionality an upgrade, quite the reverse.

    Firefox has changed from being the best browser, too being the least worse.

    I used to very excited about new Firefox releases – then, it changed to meh – now, it has changed to ugh!

    I can no longer recommend any browser.

  53. John S on May 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    As has been mentioned below, Mozilla already has made available an add-on to make the new interface every bit as ugly as the traditional interface. At least it’s not Internet Explorer, a browser that Microsoft still claims can’t be uninstalled.

  54. archuser on May 1, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    I like the new firefox especially the full screen mode , lot of space was wasted in old version of firefox in gnome 3 environment , now with 29 looks perfect.

    I beleive the code is not yet optimised as i see performance issues..

    • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 2:23 pm

      Wasting a little screen realestate with the menu bar? with a lot of people using big screen tv’s as a monitor? Seriously? 1/4 inch of space even on my tiny 19″ Sansui tv is not that much that I can’t live with it.

      Form over functionality has always been my pet peeve

      To the new corporate shills at Mozilla riding on the coattails of the original dev’s…In the words of Eric Church, “I aint doggin’ what you’re doing but boys common let’s get real…you still got a boot of boot left to fill.

  55. e8hffff on May 1, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Heap better design. Thumbs up Mozilla.

  56. MatsSvensson on May 1, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Hey Firefox-developers.
    What part of “If i wanted Google Chrome, i would already be using Google Chrome.” do you not understand?

    • littlenoodles on May 1, 2014 at 5:56 pm

      But apparently a lot of people *did* want Chrome. Firefox still has its advantages, but not looking like Chrome wasn’t one of them. For what it’s worth, they seem to have finally fixed the ‘bookmarks toolbar items’ but that’s been plaguing me for years. I like…

    • lillucia on May 1, 2014 at 9:55 pm

      My feelings exactly.

    • ThreatDown on May 18, 2014 at 9:58 pm

      Good thing its not google chrome, and unlike chrome you have full control over the UI with extensions and themes. The hyperbole about the firefox 29 update is just ridiculous, anyone saying nonsense like ‘its exactly like chrome!’ or its ‘no longer customizable’ is being extremely disingenuous, because those things aren’t true.

      • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 2:40 pm

        Sure, while they left it customizable, they seem to discourage it by hiding items, or diassabling them altogether, and you have to get an addon to get the functionality back…let alone the customizing done b4 the upgrade.
        As far as it being “as customizable as Chrome” I wouldn’t know…I don’t want google intruding in my life and thereby will never use Chrome..there are too many choices and I refuse to be one of the sheeple to jump on the chrome bandwagon just because FF ain’t my thing anymore. Personally. I cannot see the reasoning of Linux users to load Chrome on their “free” OS. Going from MS Windows to Linux and then getting into bed with Google (Chrome) is counter intuitive imho. While loading Chrome may not cost any money emediately, at what cost is it to your security and privacy?
        Google logs and copies EVERYTHING comming accross their servers

  57. thom on May 1, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    Who actually benefited from the change to the UI? It appears the quest to hide everything is the dominant design principle these days, which I would argue goes against user-friendliness. Then the use of monochrome icons is another backwards trend. Decently coloured icons are not distracting and are easier to locate and remember.

  58. xXxxxxxxxx on May 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Honesly… I like new firefox … but please DON’T compare this change to gnome 3…
    I hate gnome 3 … i gave it chance but after that I hated it even more…
    Let’s see how developers respond to user feedback …

    • Josh on May 1, 2014 at 6:02 pm

      Right. Gnome3 didn’t just make some minor appearence changes, it completely destroyed the functionality of Gnome 2. Fortunetely Gnome is open source so the Mate project was able to fork Gnome2 and preserve a great desktop so we aren’t forced to use the abomination that’s Gnome3.

      • Finalzone on May 1, 2014 at 6:51 pm

        Gnome Shell did not. It has the classic session that reproduces most of behavior of Gnome 2 which will be used in enterprise desktop like Red Hat Enterprise 7 and its variant. All layout done with extensions..

        In fact, Gnome handed over the legacy Gnome 2 to MATE to solely focus on Gnome 3. Gnome 2 is legacy, that desktop looking era is over in modern technology. Abusing the word “forcing” show your own ego.

  59. samil amir on May 1, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    before the upgrade firefox was rock solid but now it is simply garbage. tabs are very slow and firefox is unusable … now im running chrome … i hate google but i just cant bear firefox … why you do that to such a good browser ?

    • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 2:59 pm

      Ever hear of Pale Moon? or how about Opera? Komodo dragon? Safari?
      Pale Moon is written from FF code, and so behaves like you would expect from FF of old, and is also opensource (free)
      Pale Moon is great…I now have it on my wintel machine, and I am using FF29 on this Linux box with the classic look back on.

      opera is a simplistic browser with little or no frills look, but has a lot of functionality, and is ported to most all platforms, has it’s own rendering engine.. and Opera Moble’s “turbo” function supposedly compresses data by 80% so you can (theroeticly) save on data minutes

      I have never used Safari, or dragon, so I cannot recomend them, but anything is better than feeding the giants like Google and MS.
      The old tech saying used to be “Freinds don’t let freinds use IE” well, it should also be freinds don’t let freinds use Chrome

  60. Bob Robertson on May 1, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    I realize this has been said before, yet I am going to say it again: People want GUI stability until _they_ choose to change it.

    “We” have had the idea of “Themes” for a decade and a half. So what is all this GUI changing? Make a freaking THEME and have that THEME work through upgrades.

    Users don’t care if the entire underlying code changes, what matters is that when they go to click on a button they _know_ is there, and it’s not there, it disrupts everything.

  61. Gordon Haverland on May 1, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    I can get used to change, and I’ve been using computers since 1977/78. But my Mom is having a hard time remembering details. For her to pick up a new interface is close to learning everything from scratch. If you (Mozilla developers) want a new interface, there is an accepted path to do that, fork the code.

    • El-D on May 1, 2014 at 5:50 pm

      Not going to argue against you, but you can try Class Theme Restorer for your mother, or even a fork like Pale Moon. It’s not what you SHOULD have to do, but it’s at least an option for now.

      • joe blow on May 2, 2014 at 7:48 am

        Thanks for the Pale Moon advice. I already like the look of it.

  62. Lawrence Hearn on May 1, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    I’m a longtime Firefox user and am saddened by its ‘chromization’ – if I wanted Chrome I’d use it. All this nonsense about users hating change and not wanting to learn is just a way to say that the developers haven’t got a clue about how to explain themselves clearly and have no concept of giving users what they want, not the latest geek tweeks. Just as LinuxMint gives people what they want, instead of insulting people by telling what they want, it seems Firefox is slipping down this same ‘users are fools’ monetization slope. Looks like I will use Maxathon more.

    • El-D on May 1, 2014 at 5:49 pm

      What’s absurd is calling this “Chromization” and then treating that like a purely negative prospect. It’s not any more Chrome-like than any other browser is, including Maxthon. It just shares a few more superficial elements now. Also, that silly “users are fools” argument isn’t a game-winning one. It’s stupid. It’s saying that Firefox should stay complicated and user-unfriendly because you’re used to it and don’t want “lesser” users using your precious Firefox. Get over yourself.

  63. C. Wizard on May 1, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Why can’t Mozilla lead instead of follow? If I wanted to use chrome/chromium I would use it or the “new” Opera, yet another, chromium clone.
    It is really a shame about Opera. They have apparently corporate committed suicide and it looks like Mozilla is headed in the same direction. There are those who think google and their wallet is behind it. When nothing makes sense, follow the money.

    • trendyslicker on May 22, 2014 at 7:32 am

      I’m waiting for the day when g**gle finally buys out the last IT company left out there on earth (and this is the reason they are worshipped by the masses – because g**gle can afford to buy every promising stratup they see on horizon without any actual effort or research on their own behalf – thanks to US military financial backing) and F**KING DEVOUR ITSELF INTO THE VOID.

  64. David Brown on May 1, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    I reverted to version 28. Didn’t like “raised” tab bar, couldn’t find a way to put it back. Don’t like the argument: “Give it some time. You’ll get used to it.”

  65. MatsSvensson on May 1, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Easy there, grandpa!
    If you cant embrace new exiting untested stupid things, you will never make it in this modern world.
    And now bend over for your jalapeno/espresso enema.

    • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      The only part of your post that I can agree with is “untested stupid things”.

      The general public at large does NOT want to be beta testers for the software giants..it should work the way the clients expect with subtle changes.

      BTW, have you reached puberty yet, or are you just a Mozilla apologist?

      Also, Most “grandpa’s” of the world didn’t get that old by being stupid and arogant like you.

  66. MatsSvensson on May 1, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Jumped the shark, right into a fridge, and closed the door just as the shark blew inside with you on a tornado carrying a live nuke with “1″ left on the countdown.

  67. nightflier on May 1, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    I’ll adjust to it. When I have to, I guess. But not before the current ESR version reaches EOL.

  68. Scott on May 1, 2014 at 8:43 am

    If you’re change to keep up with the competition – you’ve already lost.
    If I wanted chrome, I’d install it.

    And how is this improvement that core functionality has to be restored with a third-party developed add-on?

    FF29 ui changes seem capricious.
    The only reason I still use it is because the gecko rendering engine is better then webkit for sites I visit.

    Yes mozilla jumped the shark with this update…again.

    • Carling on May 1, 2014 at 9:09 am

      Quote :- If you’re change to keep up with the competition – you’ve already lost.
      Reply :- What competition has Mozilla Firefox Got? ROLMAO… Do tell!

      • Scott on May 1, 2014 at 12:43 pm

        I get trolled by an ignorant and oblivious fanboy!
        funny you didn’t quote the next line…
        Keep laughing…

    • El-D on May 1, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      Translation: I don’t like it, thus it’s totally worthless and obviously only meant to “catch up to others”. Love your reasoning.

  69. Paul P on May 1, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Where is the problem?

    Firefox works good for me. It looks a bit different but what!

    Hey you whiners stop whining and fork it and make it better or just shut up!

  70. Carling on May 1, 2014 at 6:50 am

    Not one comments from a Linux user. You whimpers, Looking at the stupid comments and where they are from (USA) all using the same out dated 4 year old (Windows 7) operating system. What more can be said, Only if you don’t like the change go back to your zombie masters web browser IE, It’s that simple If you don’t like the heat stay out of the kitchen. No wonder America is a decade behind the rest of the world,

    • Sobe on May 1, 2014 at 11:55 am

      ^ Not sure what you are getting at with this ignorant comment. Not one Linux user? I was the second to comment on this article and I use nothing but Linux AND I am an American living in the US, so wtf does that have to do with anything? Go back to school!

      • Carling on May 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm

        Ubuntu by any chance? need I say more

        • Sobe on May 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm

          Amazing how once again you show your ignorance Carling by assuming or labeling. Ubuntu? No! I use Semplice Linux, Solydx with sources pointing to sid and several LinuxBBQ distros all sid based. The only deb clicking, grandma distro I use on any of my machines is Mint Xfce because I have used Mint since Barbara in 2006 and like how Clem and the rest of the Mint team put the user first, but I am primarily a Debian user. Once again, go back to school because your intelligence level really needs some tweaking.

          • Carling on May 1, 2014 at 3:48 pm

            Quote :- I have used Mint since Barbara in 2006 and like how Clem and the rest of the Mint team put the user first,

            Reply :- Now that is the joke of the year, How many different versions have and his team brought out? Clem and the so called team have never put the users first PERIOD, By the way I’ve been using Linux since 2002, long before Mint was thought of…..

            • Me on May 5, 2014 at 10:09 pm

              I’ve been using linux/unix since ’98 and I’m an American…

              There! My E-Penis is bigger than yours! HAHAHA!

              • Carling on May 5, 2014 at 10:42 pm

                Are you bragging or complaining..Your still a pup, I bought my first Tandy Model 1 TRS80 computer in 1978, I built my first computer back in 1982. running IBM DOS, Unix and Novell,

    • El-D on May 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      Stop making Linux users look bad. I feel ashamed to be affiliated with you just because we use the same OS kernel.

  71. Brian Masinick on May 1, 2014 at 3:40 am

    Firefox has gone further than most others in terms of making most of the things people like available, but the defaults have definitely changed. I am sitting in front of Firefox 32a1.0 Nightly Build right now, and I have been running Nightly Builds for quite some time, so I’ve had time to get used to all of this.

    First of all, Firefox has been seriously improving performance, and there is more to come. That’s more important to me that some interface changes. Second, the tabs are just as available as they’ve always been, and in fact, with a “Classic Theme Restorer”, I’ve been running something pretty close to the original appearance and behavior.

    When I run Firefox 28.0, which was running without the debugging and tools for development tracking, so it runs a bit faster than the Nightly images; that’s OK; I do what I do so we can get more information about usage patterns and other stuff. When I installed Firefox 29.0, I definitely noticed a bump in performance over Firefox 28.0, and given that my Nightly images had the “Classic Theme Restorer”, 28 didn’t take it, but 29 did. No need for complainers to bark so loud; 90% of whatever they’re looking for is available in the theme restoration tool, and the remaining 10%, as far as I am concerned, allows for more flexibility.

    I think the complainers ought to read about how to make the interface the way they want to make it; best as I can tell, you can make it look more ways than ever, including some of the age-old classic looks.

    With that and improved performance, I think it is a step forward. But then again, I’ve been testing this stuff all along, so I’ve been able to make sure that the features I care about are present in Nightly Builds; when they aren’t, I write a defect report or a feature request. Have any complainers tested, written feature requests, or defect reports? Unless the answer is yes, I recommend spending time doing that instead; it’ll make a lot more difference and have a much faster effect on the outcomes you are expecting to see.

    • Nivag on May 1, 2014 at 6:19 pm

      People should NOT have to work hard to restore Firefox to the way it looked before!

      If people like the ‘new looks’, then let them have the option to do so, but PLEASE don’t force these changes in looks & functionality down our throats.

      • Finalzone on May 1, 2014 at 6:28 pm

        Does that means those users are really that lazy? No wonder most of them are ignored.

    • SallyK on May 3, 2014 at 9:58 pm

      But from all the evidence users have been pointing out the problems with the new interface, the messing up of our existing customisations, the removal of the status bar, the positioning of the navigation etc, for as long as Australis has been proposed, and Mozilla have decided that those problems aren’t worth changing course for. They are absolutely entitled to do that, but you really can’t say that the people complaining haven’t made an effort to try to stop or redirect the changes.

      The talk about performance is really a red herring – no-one has a problem with changes under the hood to make the program work better, it’s the interface that is the problem.

      I agree that the Classic Theme Restorer has done a lot to help users like me make Firefox look like it is supposed to, rather than the bizarre new layout, and kudos to the Firefox team for making it easy to find and install. In that way, they have done much better than many of the recent developer-driven interface changes, where developers seem to go out of their way to make it difficult for users who don’t like exactly what they were presented with, and I appreciate it. On the other hand, it’s still annoying to have to install an extension just to restore basic functionality and layout, and there is always the greater chance of bugs or conflicts compared with a vanilla install.

  72. Sobe on April 30, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    Nothing surprising about this. Anytime there is a major UI change in anything there are a ton of complainers. Just ask Facebook, Google or Ubuntu. The new fox is awesome! I have been using the Australis interface for a while in Nightly builds and have really come to like it. Others will follow once they get use to it.

    • a on May 9, 2014 at 1:48 am

      Don’t forget this other rule : anytime there is a major UI change, even if crap functionnality-wise, there will be people to say how it’s awesome.

      • Dick Dastardly on June 16, 2014 at 3:29 pm

        I don’t care who you are …that’s some funny sh/t there..and so true.

        although In Linux any version of FF is fast…no slow loading problems like in Windblows. I have a box running XP, and it takes two to three minutes for FF to load, while Pale Moon loads almost instantly.

  73. dragonmouth on April 30, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    I find your attitude very condescending. Just because YOU do not customize and/or do not mind changes, does not mean that thousands of others should feel as you do.

    Developers should not be trying to justify their existence by making changes only for change’s sake. That has been Microsoft’s attitude for years. Changes should be made to improve functionality, usability and/or productivity. As the old saw goes “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

    • Brian Masinick on May 1, 2014 at 3:52 am

      DM, see my note; in my opinion, Firefox 29 with the “Classic Theme Restorer” is very much able to achieve most, if not all of the behavior previously seen, and it is also both faster and more flexible than ever. I don’t guarantee that every single feature in appearance is identical, but “classic” does mean “classic”; you can get most of it. To me the trade-offs are reasonable. There’s a more consistent look and feel to Firefox across it’s platforms: Windows, Linux, BSD, Android; that matters too. Performance is improved, the ability to create a variety of appearances, including a return BACK to the classic appearance IS possible (unlike KDE and GNOME, which took a couple of years before they offered a fraction of their classic functionality back). I think Firefox did a better job, and I was able to test it prior to release.

      Feature requests, defect reports: if something is missing or not available, report it and explain what you expect to see and why you want that capability versus what you’re finding. Before you do so, try out the “Classic Theme Restorer”.

      • BillK on May 1, 2014 at 3:14 pm

        I didn’t know about ‘Classic Theme Restorer’ but it looks like a good option.
        I run with the Walnut2 theme which keeps the simple space-saving squared look.
        I don’t mind the add-ons bar disappearing and the icons moving up to top. It gives a bit more page space.

    • El-D on May 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      I find this attitude just as condescending. Just because YOU have seen no problems doesn’t mean others haven’t. There were numerous bugs that Australis was meant to fix, but they also went too far in some ways and now you’re the one who’s inconvenienced. That doesn’t mean that the people who have been waiting for Australis are wrong, either. Frankly a lot of Australis naysayers don’t seem to care about anyone but themselves and have built up this narrative where it can’t possibly have been for the good of users, only some rogue devs wagging the dog and ruining Firefox for everyone. That’s no better than the attitude you’re upset about.

      • Nivag on May 1, 2014 at 6:23 pm

        The key is allowing ‘Australis’ as an OPTION – not forcing it on people.

        You’re the one coming across as condescending!



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