Jim Lynch

Technology and Other Musings

Linux Mint’s Debian delight!

Life is full of surprises, some of them good and some of them bad. This week I got a great surprise when a Debian version of Linux Mint was released. I wasn’t aware that the Linux Mint developers were even working on it, so the release was quite unexpected.

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Not everybody is a fan of Ubuntu

As you probably already know, the other versions of Linux Mint are based on Ubuntu. There are various versions including the GNOME version of Linux Mint, Linux Mint KDE, Linux Mint Xfce, etc. Each of these is popular, in its way and with its base of users.

But not everyone is enamored with Ubuntu. There are those who think that Ubuntu has made Linux too Mac-like. Remember the controversy over where the title bar buttons were placed in the last release of Ubuntu? Swarms of angry Ubuntu users castigated Canonical for following too closely in Apple’s footsteps.

Personally, I think the hostility toward Canonical and Ubuntu is more than a little overblown. Ubuntu has been a big plus, for the most part, for desktop Linux. So I hate to see some of the venom directed at it by those who disagree with the direction that Canonical is taking with Ubuntu.

However, I accept the fact that some people don’t like Ubuntu and never will. LMDE removes any and all Ubuntu baggage, so it’s an excellent option for those who don’t want Ubuntu.

Why do we need a Debian version?

I’ve seen this question posed in some online discussions, and it struck me as a little bit funny. Some folks are confused in a chicken/egg sort of way since the Ubuntu-based versions of Linux Mint have been out for a long time now.

It’s important to note that Ubuntu itself is based on Debian. The Ubuntu developers obviously have customized their offering, but the fact remains that Ubuntu is nothing more than a remaster of Debian itself (albeit with many significant changes).

So, in a sense, LMDE  bypasses Ubuntu altogether and instead uses Debian itself as the base. It’s sort of like cutting out the middleman.

It also clearly demonstrates that Ubuntu isn’t necessary to enjoy all that Linux Mint offers. All of the beautiful, helpful Linux Mint tools are there in the Debian version without any Ubuntu claptrap or changes.

A rolling release

One of the other advantages of Linux Mint Debian Edition over the Ubuntu versions is that the Debian version is a rolling release. This simply means that it is updated continuously; you never have to do another install to upgrade it as you do with the Ubuntu versions. Here’s a more detailed explanation from Wikipedia:

In software development, a rolling release approach refers to a continuously developing software system, as opposed to one with versions that must be reinstalled over the previous versions. It is one of many types of software release life cycles. Rolling releases are typically seen in use by Linux distributions.

A rolling release is typically implemented using small and frequent updates. However, simply having updates does not automatically mean that a piece of software is using a rolling release cycle; to qualify as a rolling release, the philosophy of developers must be to work with one code branch, as opposed to discrete versions. Updates are typically delivered to users using a package manager and a software repository accessed through the internet.

Rolling releases are enormously convenient for Linux Mint users. All of your applications, tools, and the underlying system itself get upgraded continuously. It removes the headache of having to deal with updating your Linux Mint system when a new release of Ubuntu comes out. Anyone who has ever dealt with upgrade headaches will understand why a rolling release distro can be so beneficial.

LMDE: A better Debian for everybody

As I noted in the review, I’m pleased about the release of the Debian version of Linux Mint. Debian itself hasn’t always been readily accessible for less experienced Linux users, but the release of the Linux Mint version has the potential to expand Debian’s user base.

The Linux Mint version of Debian also includes multimedia codecs, a backup tool, the excellent Mint menus, flash and a host of other things that aren’t in generic Debian. LMDE is essentially Debian on steroids; it provides a bunch of significant usability enhancements.

I tip my hat to the Linux Mint developers for this release; it’s a delightful addition to the world of desktop Linux.

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10 responses to “Linux Mint’s Debian delight!”

  1. I have yet to try LMDE but if it’s more stable, has better hardware support and is less likely to break when you upgrade, then why not? I would gladly shift over from the Ubuntu-based editions of this nice distro.

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  2. Good that Mint comes with Debian now. Would be nice if they take up Debian KDE and give the nice green theme and release. Debian KDE is really good. Debian + KDE + Mint = ultimate Linux distro.

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  3. Basing on Debian is a huge plus, but basing on Debian testing is a mistake, as LMDE fans will come to know in time. Its testing, and inherently, as well as by definition, UNSTABLE!

    LMDE fans right now are going to be lulled into a false sense of security because testing right now = stable because of the freeze and imminent release of testing to stable. Those of you Mint fans who are completely unaware of how Debian does things are going to come into a rude awakening when Testing repo’s once again open up and the floodgates are opened.

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  4. A fair warning however, every version of Linux Mint including LMDE has the home grown Mint Update Manager which seperates any future updates into 5 different levels. Levels 4 and 5 are considered dangerous and are not enabled. Levels 1 through 3, which are enabled by default, are considered safe updates and any Debian Testing updates will be checked and sorted into these 5 levels. Future LMDE updates should be much safer than with pure Debian Testing.

    That being said, the Mint team has already warned users that LMDE will always be a bit rougher due to the very fact that it’s based on Debian Testing.

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  5. Yes Ubuntu is very much like Apple. It takes but doesn’t give back. For a corporation to use Open Source (GPL Ubuntu, BSD Apple) applications and products yet maybe commit a handful (in maybe a year) of patches back upstream to projects like the Linux Kernel.

    I can’t really agree that it’s been a positive experience for the Linux Desktop if anything coupled with the fan boy cliche that seems to surround there community and broken updates from time to time I see them as quite a negative force in the Linux Desktop world.

    For a label or brand that so wants to define the Open Source Community and the Linux community in general they do a piss poor job of working with the community and that’s reflected in the number of fanboys that think of community as a group of people in the hills some where drinking coolaid wearing nikes and waiting to ride on their space comet too open source glory.

    So when a distro like Mint goes outside of that and maybe works within the debian world instead of just branching off and thinking there way is better, while just segregating and further fragmenting the Linux Community, I have to applaud them. And I’m left wondering what examples of Ubuntu benefiting Linux are there that there wasn’t already offered?

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  6. Never understood what’s so “hard” about Debian. I was almost a newbie when I switched from openSuse (which demanded too much from my old laptop) and then Ubuntu (after the sound broke and I couldn’t fix it). Every now and then you will probably run into a problem, but the answers are out there. Much the same as with openSuse or Ubuntu.

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  7. There seems to be a lot of bitterness about Ubuntu and I have never understood why Gnu/Linux by its nature is fragmented and people just need to get over it that’s what makes it strong,

    In my opinion Ubuntu has been a leading light in bringing Linux to the masses and has simplified many things for the average user, this is a good thing and may encourage some people to look deeper and at other distro’s, whether they contribute code or not is neither hear nor there , as is consistently said there are many ways to contribute and coding is only one of them.

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  8. Now I’m confused. My machine at home has an old version of Mint and I was about to go through the BS of upgrading to the latest. But with the Debian version I may never have to do a re-install again. Is there a down-side to going with LMDE?
    I switched from Ubuntu to Mint because every second Ubuntu update broke my system (and Mint is just awesome), can I count on LMDE to keep me safe and warm through the rolling updates? 😎

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  9. probably best to wait a bit and at least have a good read on the forums to see what the score is with LMDE, do you really have an over riding reason to upgrade at this moment in time ?

    I have installed Mint 9 today and will probably migrate to LMDE when it has been tested a bit more

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  10. I love this new Linux Mint Debian rolling release, I don’t like reinstalling every six months. However I do love the new look and feel of Ubuntu 10.04 and since it is LTS I may just stick with it for a while. I gave LMDE a spin and love the multi-media support. I just wish it used restricted wifi drivers and was 64-bit. Great to have another great Linux rolling release PCLinuxOS being the other. Although PCLinuxOS has turned out to not be a true rolling release re-installation has been required. I hope LMDE becomes a true rolling release like Debian it’s self – over ten years and still rolling. 🙂

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